As the violence in Egypt escalates, many are going back and forth on what the United States' stance should be. Should we cut off aid, which mostly goes to the Egyptian military, or not? Are there any other measures that the Mr. Obama's Administration can take to quell the killing and unrest?
Senator Kelly Ayotte (R-NH) felt that the United States should suspend financial aid ($1.5 billion per year) until the Egyptian military stops the violence and starts enacting democratic solutions (elections, rule of law, et al.). She said that the President came up short in his recent remarks on Egypt by not calling for aid suspension. Senator Reed's answer was a bit more nuanced but he came to the same conclusion to suspend aid. It would seem like the prudent thing to given the logic that our dollars are being used by a military that has killed some of it's own citizens.
However, just in course of the discussion on today's program, you are able to understand why cutting off aid is problematic. NBC Foreign Correspondent Richard Engel outlined two key factors as to why it wouldn't be a good idea. One, by cutting off aid to Egypt, the United States is essentially nullifying the Camp David Accords - the peace treaty, of biblical scale, between Egypt and Israel that is contingent of the U.S. giving aid to both countries. Based on that, our number one ally in the region doesn't want to see us pull the dollars and then go back to war footing with Egypt.
David Gregory, quoting a government official, said that in the course of this Arab Spring, there are centuries of sectarian and religious scores to settle. So given that long memory, the United States doesn't want to put itself in a position where we are the ones who break the historic deal we brokered.
By political extension, one could say that you're not a backer of Israel, if you're for the United States pulling the aid away from Egypt, a charge that always gives pause to American politicians. Therefore, the United States is best to consider our other allied partner countries in the region and not act, as is the usual, as if it is the only other player. From this, you have to appreciate that the president must choose his words carefully, and consider the ramifications for his decisions driven by consideration of a longer historical perspective. We say this, not so much in the defense of Mr. Obama in particular, but to recognize the responsibility of the office and the knowledge that comes with it. It doesn't make Senators Ayotte or Reed or Paul naive; it's simply a clear illustration of the difference between being in the position of a senator versus being the president.
Mr. Engel also reported that there is essentially an active insurgency in place formed by the Muslim Brotherhood. Our other allies - Saudia Arabia, Jordan, Qatar - feel that cutting off aid would make the insurgency even worse, and thus rendering tacit support for it and the Muslim Brotherhood instead of the military in opposition of a dogmatic Islamic [some would read that as 'extremist'] way of governing.
Yes, democracy is messy, as Senator Reed reminded us. Americans should remember the few wars this country had fought in the aftermath of our Revolutionary War (the undeclared war with France to establish our neutrality and the War of 1812, otherwise known as the Second War for Independence). Egypt's path, while of course tragic, is unavoidable given this level of political upheaval.
What to look for are the upcoming elections the Egyptian military is putting in place, but really all we're distressingly left with is Senior Fellow at the Woodrow Wilson International Center, Robin Wright's question - will the elections even be considered credible?
The only plausible transition that we can think of is as the violence continues overseas so does it here in the United States, given in a different manifestation. And despite the impressive numbers in reduction of violent crimes that New York City Police Commissioner Ray Kelly outlined, it's not because of 'stop and frisk,' which NAACP President Ben Jealous accurately called a program.
The employment of the 'stop and frisk' program is understandable, which isn't to say that it's right or constitutional. Think about it... when two policemen get out of their car to 'stop and frisk' someone, what are they looking for? And don't say drugs. Unless a policeman is actually witnessing a drug buy, an individual taking drugs or erratic behavior, he is not going to stop. Policemen are searching for guns.
Once again, it all boils down to that - too many random, untraceable guns in circulation. 'Stop and Frisk' is a Constitutionally questionable program, driven by a culture of fear, employed in a futile attempt to keep illegal guns off the streets of New York City.
In a way, it's the antithesis of 'Stand Your Ground,' which encourages ordinary citizens to carry a gun and in effect determine their own sense of justice. However, when a law or a program has so many shadowy interpretations, there are bound to be abuses and incredible injustices such as racial profiling.
Both are driven by our culture of the gun, and whether the program seeks to extricate guns from the system or the law encourages an infusion of them, they are ultimately flawed and failed policies because neither does what they're designed to do - keep us safe or free.
Round Table: Former White House Press Secretary now
an NBC News Political Analyst Robert Gibbs, Editor of the National
Review Rich Lowry, Rep. Donna Edwards (D-MD), and NBC News Political
Director Chuck Todd.
Today's round table discussion focused on presidential politics when it should have really focused on foreign policy, something they never do anymore. There will be plenty of time coming to comment on the 2016 election, but we not going there now... too soon, with the exception to say this:
Robert Gibbs and Chuck Todd were surprised the Hilary Clinton would give a speech now that would clearly put her back in the middle of the political fray, and hence get too caught up in it too early. Why do this, Gibbs questioned while reminding us that Mrs. Clinton is the default 2016 Democratic candidate.
It may be jumping in too soon for Washington, but not for most people who aren't paying attention right now. Mrs. Clinton making a speech about the Voting Rights Act and racial discrimination to a base Democratic audience right now is a smart move. In August this far out, the scrutiny and criticism is as muted as it can be, but this is also the speech that the press will refer back to when citing her views on the subject. The press will drop it in two days and then refer back to it when it will eventually count, which would be during the Democratic primary.
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